Conflict Or Cease Fire Malcolm Nance and Stephanie Miller

Malcolm Nance shares his thoughts on the difficult situation in Israel, agreeing with Democrats that killing civilians will never lead to peace, while Republicans offer simplistic solutions.
Nance describes his experience visiting a national military command post and witnessing a simulated missile launch, expressing concern about the ability to give the president nuclear authority again.
Stephanie Miller interviews Malcolm Nance, who shares insights on the Jewish Diaspora in Iraq and the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas.
Nance highlights the trauma faced by both Israelis and Palestinians, and the challenges of calling for a ceasefire in the midst of a war.
Israel’s actions in Gaza and apartheid label.

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Stephanie Miller and Malcolm Nance discuss the recent killing of 21 Israeli soldiers in Gaza. They discuss the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Malcolm Nance and Stephanie Miller discuss Trump’s policies towards Muslims and Palestinians, including a proposed ban on Palestinian immigration and the deportation of those who support them. Biden has skillfully navigated Israel policy as the determinant factor on conflict or cease fire. Malcolm Nance criticizes the Free Palestine movement for misguiding young people and ignoring the impact of their actions on democracy and human rights.

I believe their conversation went like this.

Stephanie Miller:

Hi Malcom Nance, live from Israel. So last time he was building the wall. This time there’s gonna be a dome over. Gonna go zoom over the entire United States that stops things from going Bing Bing Bing boom. Your thoughts?

Malcolm Nance:

What the hell did I listen to? Yeah, I saw that, I was watching the coverage. Oh my gosh. The stupidest man to ever sit in that seat. Okay. I mean he’s like the governor from Blazing Saddles. What’s that? Was that line? Harvey Corman said. Oh my god! If they find out we’re going to lose our phony baloney jobs. This guy. He is so dumb. He’s trying to describe what? I guess they took him to a national military command post. I actually pulled a short tour at one of these places. Underground in the mountains. They do a simulated missile launch. They show him the laser defense and like, boop boop. What are you, five?

Stephanie Miller:

Terrifying. The ability of giving this guy the nuclear codes again, it’s just I Okay, Malcolm. So let’s talk about what we mentioned yesterday. By the way, you got a lot of hate on Twitter. As you always do. When I announced you’re going to be on the show. I know you’ve been to.

Malcolm Nance:

Stephanie. I live for that now.

Stephanie Miller:

You seem to. I was saying this is such a difficult situation. There were more you know, Palestinian protesters at Biden speech on abortion yesterday. And I was saying we just had the Senator’s debate out here. This just tells you like how nuanced and difficult this situation. I agree with all three Democrats. Barbara Lee said killing 25,000 civilians, it’s catastrophic and it will never lead to peace for the Israelis nor the Palestinians. Adam Schiff said, I don’t know how you can ask any nation to support a ceasefire when their people are being held by a terrorist organization. Katey Porter said ceasefire is not a magic word. You can’t say it and make it so, but we have to push as the United States as a world leader for us to get to a ceasefire and Steve Garvey the Republican of Georgia, of course, just said, Oh, Israel today, tomorrow and yesterday, today, tomorrow, like there’s no nuance no thoughts about, you know, how we would get to a two state solution. I mean, talk to us a little bit about it, being over there. What you’re feeling about all that?

Malcolm Nance:

Sure, because I’m interviewing people left and right. And, in fact, if you’re following my Twitter, I had an amazing interview with a woman, actually Aviva Complez. The blogger put out a short bit from this woman. She was born in Baghdad, Iraq, in 1947. Back when there were well over 100,000 Iraqi Jews, they left. They emigrated to Israel. Since that time, the Jewish Diaspora in Iraq has been reduced to seven. There are seven Jews who live in Iraq now. Everyone moved to Israel.
Yes. 80% of this country. 80% of this country is Jewish. The other 20% of this country is Israeli Arab, also known as the Palestinians that didn’t leave in 1948. 20% one in every five people in this country is Palestinian Arab. I speak more Arabic when I’m here that I speak English. Because there’s so many here. Now that 80%. That 8 million Jews, right 80% of that number are from Arab countries and called Elahi Jews. Okay, this country is a very brown country. It’s very hard to find Ashkenazim. That’s white Jews who look like they’re from Europe, very hard. It wasn’t like when I came back here in 1983, back when this country was really, really, really white. It looked white, because that’s what I was programmed to look for. It’s not, it never was. The country is predominantly made up of those Arabs, but Arabs who are Jewish.
Now, I want to make a quick point about that This country is traumatized, but traumatized as it is from having their own massive 911. Everyone knows someone who was murdered. Everyone knows somebody who was kidnapped and in some way, shape or form. The Israeli put out a proposal for two months ceasefire. They were going to exchange all civilian hostages, plus 1000s of Palestinian prisoners, Hamas yesterday, turned it down. So when I hear people say calling for ceasefire, what they’re calling for is for Israel to unilaterally surrender to Hamas by stopping this war, and it’s a war. It’s not a raid. It’s not an air raid. There are like some 20,000 Israeli soldiers, full time, blazing battles day and night with Hamas. So that’s the situation on the ground here.

Stephanie Miller:

Yeah. Obviously Netanyahu rejected the conditions. It would include Israel’s complete withdrawal and leaving Hamas and power in Gaza. You know, that’s gonna be a non starter. But you know, at the same time, Palestinian militants, as you know, just killed 21 Israeli soldiers. So this morning I felt like oh, my God, this is just going forever.

Malcolm Nance:

It’s terrible. Because I just happened to be in the Ministry of Defense, when they were trying to figure out what happened and it was an unfortunate series of events. It was an unfortunate accident, after a rocket had been fired into a building and they were preparing to demolish the buildings, and a lot of reservists died. You know, we’ve had incidents like that to in the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s a horrible number for Israel, though. 21 men and women to them is like 100 and 200 bodies.

Stephanie Miller:

Again, I know I understand, not only believing Hamas on anything, but the body count is obviously very significant on the Palestinian side as well. And I think you wrote a piece as you do. I encourage everybody to read your Substack and whatever. Because you talk about what you know, Over the last 40 years you’ve been to Israel a lot. I didn’t even know this and. You were raised in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia since you were 10. You’re talking about what happened. When Israel decided to strike back after October 7, you say it appeared the world had shifted its position of horror and support for Israel instead sought Israel’s ability to defend itself using massive amounts of airpower as an act of extreme aggression.
Within 72 hours the lie heard around the world occurred, the proclamation of an Israeli airstrike on the Elahi hospital, killing 500 people and destroying the hospital setting the world on fire. All across North America and Europe, social justice activists join Palestinian and Muslim protesters to create a wave of anti Israeli revulsion. However, no such attack happened. It was an accidental record fired by a Palestinian terror group.
It killed an injured fewer than 40 people. And but you just said no matter what, no matter within 72 hours, the big international Free Palestine movement was using the word genocide to describe Israel’s attack. So I’m describing Israel as colonial and apartheid. So you sort of want to answer the question Is Israel an apartheid state?

Malcolm Nance:

So that was that was posed by a question that that one of my readers had put out there and what I did was I made it clear in my Substack now we’re talking Israel, and I have people come up there and say, well, Israel sort of apartheid is. You can’t go on the street. They hate blacks, they hit this. That’s just a lie. But on the other hand, because this is actually a very democratic, multinational multicultural multifaith integrated country, Palestinians within Israel, Palestinian Arabs or Israeli Arabs, as they call them, they’re not prohibited from doing anything.
They can marry a Christian, they can walk across the street, there are no segregated areas within the confines of Israel. Then that’s when you get people move the goalposts on you and they go. Well, we were talking about Gaza, in the West Bank. Well, Gaza was its own self governing region that was buffered by Egypt on the south in Israel to the east and north. Okay, there’s no apartheid going on there because they are 2.2 million people who chose with their government that they elected which was a terrorist group. Instead of developing themselves, create a micro terrorists day that armed you know, 30,000 terrorists built 10,000 rockets, created 500 miles of underground tunnels. We just have to be cleared and then invaded Israel on October 7. In their charter, the destruction of the state. The West Bank is a separate situation. That’s not Israel either.
There are security zones in there, the A Zone, and the B Zone, and the C zone. Israel has what they call security segregation. Now, that could arguably be considered apartheid, except that the Palestinian zones are governed by the Palestinian Authority. Okay, and they segregate, put borders and fences in there in between the two. Are there settlements there? Yes, there are and that’s the biggest storm in the entire ISRAEL PALESTINE conflict. But Israel has settlements in Gaza way back before 2005 abandon them all. They pulled out all the settlers, moved their own cemeteries, and gave it all to the Palestinians. So it’s possible when a two state solution comes up, then things could change. So long as you’re using this absolute, vocabulary things are gonna work.

Stephanie Miller:

Yeah, it seems like particularly not very hopeful day, though. For this whole situation, just given everything you were just talking about, do you feel a way forward? I keep saying I feel like Hamas and Netanyahu need to be gone. It just this this feels like endless and hopeless. I keep saying I don’t, I just don’t understand they’re making analogies to Biden with Vietnam. Those of us that said George Bush is illegally attacking the wrong country after 9-11. This is not Joe Biden’s war. You know, I mean, to be calling him genocide Joe.

Malcolm Nance:

Joe Biden did not ask Hamas to invade. Joe Biden did not direct Netanyahu to counter attack Blitz, and an aerial attack against the Palestinians. Joe Biden didn’t have anything to do with this other than the basics that every President of the United States.
If it had been Barack Obama, okay, he would have done the exact same thing which is, this is the only democracy in the Middle East. This is a very real, homogenous multicultural multifaith country. That’s the only place gays are gonna get any shape. All right. They’ll throw you off a roof or they’ll kill you or they’ll make you Hi. This country is supported by the United States because it is our policy to support this democracy. Do we support Netanyahu actually, if you watch what Joe Biden has been doing over the last few months?
No, they have pressured him on many levels. These settlers who are over there shooting people are now going to be banned from coming to the United States. If they’re not brought to justice, Joe Biden is doing his best as he can but this is why we call it FOREIGN policy. Right. So, I saw this tweet, that they spoke to Muslim leaders and none of them will support Joe Biden in 2024 during the election. That’s literally community suicide. As I called it, I called it out. I’ll be frank, I called it a murder suicide pact. Because they will.

Stephanie Miller:

Islamophobic as a party. They are putting forward bills to eject all Palestinians that live here now. I mean, it’s insane.

Malcolm Nance:

Literally repeated it yesterday. He will deport anyone that supports the Palestinians. He will get rid of anyone and believe me if you think he is not including American citizens in there. All right. Steve Miller put that tweet out about the 12 noon on January 17 2025. They the largest importation in American history.

Stephanie Miller:

Those of us that went to the airports to protest the Muslim ban, may ask, do uou have short term memory loss?

Malcolm Nance:

Voting is not a single issue thing. It is vote like George Takei said. My family was put into camps in World War Two. We know that voting for the party that really has our interest in line is what democracy is about. It is not a popularity contest. It is about voting for a team party that will move you forward. I’m sorry that the Free Palestine movement is misguiding young kids. If you’re listening to me, you’re calling for the end to democracy voting to destroy every woman’s right to choose. voting against the black people that help this party up. You are voting because you’re ignorant and misguided on this one subject.

Stephanie Miller:

Please stay safe.

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